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Evolution Lesson 1 – Faulty Fundy Logic

what we have learned from studying how people decide and conclude in jury trials is hauntingly familiar to the faulty logic of fundamental creationists...people have two significantly different approaches to decision making: they are either cognitives or affectives

15% of jurors are cognitive left brain decision makers..cognitives are more interested in problems than people, they enjoy learning and accumulating new information, they defer making decisions until they have all the available information...cognitives use a combination of inductive logic and deductive problem solving....in short, affectives feel and cognitives reason

85% of jurors are affective right brain decision makers...affectives are likely to decide, conclude, and attribute cause and blame quickly...affective persons are emotional, creative, and impulsive and are more interested in people than problems...they see trials as soap opera dramas not legal disputes...affectives have a few premises about how life works and use little factual information to reach decisions

affectives don’t have open minds and are not receptive to new ideas...instead they test new information by how consistent it is with their preconceived ideas of how life works and how it fits into the picture of the case they have constructed in their minds

jurors rapidly construct stories of what probably happened in the case then subconsciously use their attitudes to accept, reject, or distort the evidence or supply missing information to create a complete plausible story...this lets jurors reach decisions they believe are logical, fair, and consistent with the evidence

affective reasoning is based on the improper use of deductive logic...affectives decide and conclude first then facts are made to fit...affectives know the truth first, as they have constructed in their minds, and they work hard to justify their absolute truth by selectively accepting, rejecting or distorting later information to fit the already reached decisions...this allows affectives to justify their decisions; thus they believe they are logical and fair

people have an internal need to be consistent which makes them committed to their original decision despite their receipt of later conflicting information...since information inconsistent with their decisions causes internal conflict and stress, they become resistant and soon hear and see only what they want to hear and see

just like affective reasoners in jury trials, the logical thought process of creationists is backasswards...creationists start with the conclusion and declare its absolute truth (the bible)...then they search for gaps (things not yet figured out by scientists or issues scientists debate) or anything else they can to support their religiously motivated bs while selectively disregarding the gazillion pieces or evidence that support evolution

anyone educated properly in science will spot the faulty logic of starting with an absolute truth...that’s just bad science...real science works opposite...real science says: we have all of these facts, all this observed phenomena...what best explains them

in science truths are conditional and facts are important...for creationists truth is absolute and facts are selected or rejected based on religious bias

it’s interesting that 85% of jurors are affective thinkers and 88% of the US population does not understand or accept biological evolution as accepted by the scientific community...interesting correlation...i wonder how many of the OJ jurors were creationists...lmao

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science starts with inductive logic...we observe facts...the world’s data..observable phenomena...things that actually exists and can be viewed with our own eyes...facts are true unless the observer made a mistake

examples of facts: one can observe a moth that looks like bird sh*t...or observe whale fossils with pelvic, thigh, and foot bones for walking on land...or observe natural speciation in action etc etc etc

then comes the proper use of deductive logic...after observing facts, scientists formulate an explanation, ie a hypothesis, to explain what we see

but instead of declaring the absolute truth of the hypothesis, as the fundys do, science sets out to systematically test the explanation by trying to falsify it...scientists test and try to falsify their own hypothesis...this is the scientific method

the scientific method involves the observation of phenomena, formation of a hypothesis to explain the observed phenomena, experimental and predictive repeated testing of the hypothesis, and after repeatedly reconfirming your hypothesis, graduation to theoryhood.

scientific theories such as biological evolution, cell theory, heredity, plate tectonics, gravity, etc are accepted as true after they have survived numerous attempts of falsification and when they continually predict new phenomena that are subsequently observed

example:

facts - whales breath air and have bones for walking on land

hypothesis - since whales breath air and have bones for walking on land, then the ancestors of whales used to walk on land

test - if whales used to be land animals then the fossil record should show a transition from land animal to ocean animal

confirmation – transitional fossils found include basilosaurus, rhodocetus, and ambuloceuts…ambulocetus is the walking whale with foot bones, hind leg bones, etc

conditional conclusion – whales used to be land animals but they evolved into sea animals

note that this is a scientific conclusion and therefore it is conditional...there are no absolute truths in science...if you find a better explanation for what we observe and you can test it via the scientific method, science welcomes this...you just have to play by the rules of the game

the whale example is just one of many that supports biological evolution...religiously motivated fairytale explanations from creationist websites are not facts

the scientific method has explained more of the empirical world than any alternative approach yet creationists reject the scientific method for the absolute truth of the bible

it’s pathetic how fundys have no problem acccepting the fruits of science, ie, the technological byproducts of science that make life better for humans...fundys are hypocrites for selectively accepting science when it is convenient but rejecting science when it disagrees with their interpretation of their book...pathetic and dishonest imo

Evolution Lesson 3 – Myths and the Process of Science

What is it that makes biology, chemistry, geology, physics, etc different from history, literature, philosophy, religion???

The difference is that science is a process...science should be looked upon as a verb not a noun...it is action...systematic methodical action to discover what is true and what is not true regarding our universe

IT IS THE APPLICATION OF THIS PROCESS IN BIOLOGY, CHEMISTRY, GEOLOGY, ETC THAT MAKES THEM SCIENTIFIC...such a fundamental misunderstanding about science has led to very poor decisions about how to teach science...hence you have fundys promoting ID and trying to change the definition of science

biological evolution is a scientific theory, not a religious doctrine or a topic in philosophy class...religion and science are compatible...but are different animals

religion has to do with the worship of god whereas science deals with physical phenomenon of the natural world...religion has to do with faith and the unseen whereas science focuses on the empirical evidence and testable knowledge open to rejection or confirmation...SCIENTIFIC THEORIES STAND OR FALL BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

religion is based on faith which is belief without evidence...those who claim that evolution requires belief or a leap of faith do not understand the way science works

scientists do not have to believe without evidence (faith) that there are transitional fossils, we can observe the evidence in museums, the fossil record, and in living creatures today...scientists do not have to believe without evidence (faith) that the building blocks of life can be created naturally or that speciation occurs...we can observe it directly in nature and/or the laboratory

THE TESTS ARE REPEATABLE WITH COMPARABLE RESULTS FOR YOU TO TEST AND SEE FOR YOURSELF

Myths are fictitious stories about heroes, deities, angels, demons, saints, virgins, wars, plagues etc. designed to teach spirituality and ideology...jesus spoke in metaphoric and mythological terms regularly...his parables and the myths of the old testament were the means of expressing spiritual truths not scientific truths

myths of creation, birth, rebirth, and renewal are found in the bible are common in every culture, around the world, and over the millennia...the ancient myth of creationism was present long before the old testament was written...they were rewritten in the bible and accepted as absolute truth by fundys...the fundys took a beautiful story of creation and ruined it by declaring its absolute truth

myths are not about truths...myths are ancient stories past on to teach about deeper meanings of life, rebirth, and renewal...myths are about the human struggle to deal with life’s challenges...myths and religion meet different psychological/spiritual human needs and have nothing to do with science

religion exists based on faith which is belief without evidence...for creationists, faith is belief in spite of the evidence

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I just was watching Primetime, they had this story of a teenage girl who works at Mc.Donalds in Kentucky, some joker calls the Mc. Donalds and tells the asst. Manager, to call in one of the employees a teenage girl. The person on the phone pretends to be cop, and tells the asst manager to strip search the girl, and tell the girl to perform sex acts on the asst manager fiance and the asst. manager allows to happen, and perverted fiance lets the teenage girl perform sex acts on him. 

The asst, Manager got fired, from Mc. Donalds, and she goes out telling everyone who tells she is dumb, that you would done the same thing, if some one called you and said they were a cop, and instruct you to strip seach the girl and have her perform sexual acts, on a older guy. I want to get on plane leave Mongolia  and fly to Kentucky and find this women, so I can tell her to right to face, you are dumb, I would'n t follow directions over the phone by an individual claiming to be a cop.  If Donna wants to call her old man fiance, I'll tell him right to his face too, that the women you are marrying is dumb.  If he wants to fight and defend her intellect, then fine I'll show him, how to fight, Asain style with fists and swords, not American style, hide behind the gun, got no physical skills.   

Part 1 of many.

The first step in starting an empire is fuel, you need fuel "oil" inorder to expand your empire.  I always thought the Iraq war was about oil. After reading about WWII, I found this, &nb sp;Hitler had planned to capture the oilfields in Romania by 1939 so Germany would have its own supply of oil. This was accomplished. Then Rommel was to have captured the oilfields in Persia by 1941, the oilfields in Russia in 1942.

My opinion is this war is the first step in a America expansion.  As Germany did in WWII, you need Oil to keep the war machine rolling.  Once America has secured the Iraq Oil feilds and the Iraqi insurgent threat is either eliminated or greatly reduced. The second step in expanision will occur.

Whom shall America attack next Syria or Iran, I think, it will Syria from the military planner point of view Syria must fall. However since Syria and Iran have a mutal defense agreement Iran will come to Syria aid. It will be in Iran self interest to help Syria, becuase once Sy ria falls Iran will next, with the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran will vunrable to an American miltary pincer attack. All three neighboring Arab countries will be under America occupation, of the three Arab countries two are oil countries Iran and Iraq, with this oil in America control. America can further its expansion by attacking North Korea, The trick is will North Korea attack South Korea, if an American attack on Syria and Iran was to occur. If the North Korea ns are smart they will attack South Korea. Becuase once Syria and Iran falls. North Korea leadership will be thinking that there next, by then the American soliders that served in the middle east theater of war will be battle harden, and will be sent to Korea. A battle harden American Army attacking North Korea will be nightmare for North Korean soliders.  By attacking South Korea while America is busy fighting the Iranians and Syrians.  The North Koreans have an oppurtunity make the American Military fight in two different theaters of war. The North Koran military commanders are thinking if the Syrians and Iranians can bleed the battle tested America military in their countries and North Korea can bleed the untested battle American army in Korea. The America public might have backlash at there current government, this ending the war.

However since the current American leadership trend is to attack any country who disagrees with its policy, and the majority of the American citizens pro war, it's highly unlikely that the war on the two fronts will stop. 

Then we come to Valenzuela, which not to long ago had a coup against the current government, a coup intiated by the Amercian government.  Valenzuela will be next on the list of America targets.  Valenzuela will fall fast, because the country is isolated everything going into Valenzuela is by ship, the American navy will stop any weapons going to Valenzuela resistance. Valenzuela resistance will be futle, once America controls the Valenzuela oil fields.

America will have control of at least 50% of the worlds oil supply, 50% is just the minimum.

If war was to happen, will unconventional weapons and fighting be used by Americas opponents upon the America soliders and the American citzens will be used?

To be continued. 

What ever happen to WMDS.

Our government is at it again!!!!!! Do we have to write congress or
what!!! This is upsetting ~ thought it was important that I pass it along:
Check your driver's license....Now you can see anyone's Driver's License on the Internet, including your own! I just searched for mine and there it was...picture and all! Thanks Homeland Security!
Privacy, where is our right to it? I definitely removed mine, I suggest you all do the same.

Go to the web site and check it out.
Just enter your Name, City and State to see if yours is on file.
It does a search; then click View.  After your license comes on the
screen, click the box marked
"Please Remove."
This will remove it from public viewing, but not from law enforcement.
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